poohbear 1,360 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 More likely to be the Leen curving round the base of the rock Stan...if you look far left you can see the river curving through some trees heading for some bridge arches that were the start of what we know as London Road. Here's a link so you can blow up the picture to see more detail. http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/resources/maps/ZoomifyExpress4-Win/nottingham1707.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The two church spires behind St. Marys in front of the Castle are probably St. Nicholas on the left and St.Peters to the right . A view from the "South propect" The large mansion to the right of St. Marys is Pierrepont House A painting of Pierrepont House by an unknown artist from early 1700s . Interesting to know what is on this site now . A different view of the city showing a different perspective Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,486 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'd agree with it being High Pavement. You can still walk along that side of St Mary's today and the houses across the road don't seem to have changed much since back then. Also the River Leen...there wasn't a road beneath Castle Rock until Castle Boulevard was built. Before then, you had to go along the route further north, which was to become Lenton Road through The Park. (see the map in post #22) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stan 386 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Good system that ! You can see a little bridge over the water on close inspection. Thanks. Wonder what it will all be like in another 300 years. Will there be any green apart from the stuff Mick talked about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,486 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 In fact looking at it really closely, I can see five bridges over the Leen, not counting the main Trent Bridge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 In fact looking at it really closely, I can see five bridges over the Leen, not counting the main Trent Bridge. If you look REALLY closely I reckon you can see one of Micks ancestors nicking some cabbages! :tongue: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 A different painting from 1695 by Jan Siberechts , showing the same buildings in the foreground but different perspectives. Also gives the impression of the town being on a higher elevation than it probably is . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Theres also this picture which I assume is the Castle with the Trip below but its defeated my website googling powers to find out when it was painted and by whom . http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/manuscriptsandspecialcollections/images-multimedia/homerotate/pic03.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
denshaw 2,877 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 If you look really closely you can see Bill's mothers house. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackson 301 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Many, many thanks to Pooh Bear and DavidW for the wonderful, interesting and fascinating engravings and paintings of Nottingham's fair city. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Theres also this picture which I assume is the Castle with the Trip below but its defeated my website googling powers to find out when it was painted and by whom . I'll see if I can find anything...I know roughly the period in the mid 1800s before the park was built up...and if you look at the Castle you will see the windows are white.This was the period when the Castle was derelict for many years after the fire started by the Luddites.It was just a shell with no windows. And Jackson..Ta for the compliment...But I didn't paint 'em myself y'know... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 A photograph and painting of the period when the Leen ran past the Castle...which was still derelict. In the painting the 'Trip' can be seen to the right. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackson 301 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Poohbear, you're an Ace: thank you for the exquisite watercolour above of Nottingham's Castle and the easily recognisable buildings to the fore .............. Will try and find out the artist's name .................... PS: the photograph preceding, amazingly interesting of what it was like before ............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,486 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Looking at the painting - which shows a lot of Brewhouse Yard - it's surprising how similar it still looks today The building next to the Trip, and the building at the end facing the camera, are both unchanged. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Looks like that previous image I posted was cropped from this painting of Nottingham Park by Thomas Allom and could be in the 1830s. I presume in this picture the working boats are on the Leen ? You can just make out the 3 church spires on the skyline 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Jackson , re post #38 , that water colour painting of Brewhouse Yard is by J Edwards , painted about 1860 . There's some more lovely pics and a history of the area on this website , who's owner had ancestors living there . http://www.frogs.co.nz/froggatt_family/BHY/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I found this etching in old book about coaching ages ago , didn't do a very good screen-shot but you can just about make out St Marys and St.Peters and the windmills on the far right . Its a drawing of a broad-wheeled heavy wagon being pulled by a team of horses down a rough track that was to become Mansfield Road 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor S 2,003 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Poohbear, DavidW and Clifton, your input on this thread has been what Nottstagia is all about. Thank you, gents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Agreed TrevorS give them some ticks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Thanks for any "ticks" . Usually only the Mrs that "ticks" me off ! I enjoy researching this stuff but do tend to get a bit OCD with it , much to her annoyance . Anyway , getting back to the large building , Pierrepont House , that shows to the right of St. Marys in the original picture, repeated here below : In one way , it seems a building ahead of its time and could nearly fit in with any 60s / 70s modern block of flats ! Though I am sure it had much more style ! It was also the first building in Nottingham to have sash windows . There isn't that much info about it but most seem to agree it stands on what is now a large warehouse/factory building on Stoney Street . So the house in the image is in the middle of what we now know as the Lace Market . More detail of the family here : The Pierrepont family, which had a great deal to do with Nottingham's story from the sixteenth to the eighteenth centuries, seems to take its origin from George Pierrepont, who was Knighted by Edward VI. He prospered exceedingly and accumulated great wealth, and his son was created Baron Pierrepont and Viscount Newark of Holme Pierrepont, and by the time of the Civil War the family was advanced to the Earldom of Kingston. They erected the magnificent mansion known as Pierrepont House on the south side of Stoney-street in Nottingham, whose site is now occupied by a large block of warehouses, No. 7, Stoney-Street. An extraordinary story is told of the second Earl.He became enraptured by the beauty of Miss Chudleigh, who, in addition to receiving his advances and encouraging those of the Duke of Kingston, married a certain Captain Harvey. After a few years she got tired of Captain Harvey, and finding all the witnesses of the wedding were dead, she destroyed the register of her marriage, and in 1679 married the Earl of Kingston. She led him a dreadful life, and after his death seized up on certain family properties and succeeded in estranging her friends. News of her bigamous marriage leaked out, and she took refuge in France, where she died. Her true character came out just before her end. She had spent the greater part of her life tormenting and worrying the wretched Earl, her husband, and her final wish was that her coffin should be chained to his in the vault of Holme Pierrepont Church, a wish which, needless to say, was never carried out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,486 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 And another view of the castle from the Canal / River Leen area before Castle Boulevard was built Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 DAVIDW "The Pierrepont family" Any connection with 'Pierrepont' the executioner I wonder? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob.L 1,090 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 And another view of the castle from the Canal / River Leen area before Castle Boulevard was built Are they City Council parking attendants in the foreground? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StephenFord 866 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 "Yer can't park that 'orse and cart 'ere mi duck." "But officer, this is a cul de sac." "Ah don't care if it's a Rolls-Royce - yer can't park it 'ere." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,690 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Mick ref.#47 , its possible they are from the same Norman ancestors but we had a family of Pierrepoints living on our road at Mapperley, dad was a brickie , so I guess there were a lot of them about . Edit: just checked the 1881 Census and in England and Wales there were over 900 people with a variation of the name . In Notts alone there were about 100 Pierreponts or points . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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