Compo 10,328 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 What a dilemma for England football fans.....Two traditional enemies in the final. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Has anybody noticed how European in appearance the Argentinian players look in comparison to all the other South American countries players, these seem to be the expected mix of Indians, Black and Latins although it's not so marked in Brazil and Uruguay. I seem to remember during the footage of the Falklands War many of the poor conscripts tended to be of South American Native Indian origin whereas the officers were more European in appearance. Would this be down to the fact that they're situated on the East coast giving more access for an influx of European settlers which presumably were richer and formed the nucleus for the middle classes. Just an observation without looking anything up on Triki Wiki. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJBrenton 738 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 European migration to Argentina is second only to the USA in particular from Germany Italy and France. You are right to have noticed that European heritage is far more prevalent there than in other South American countries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,205 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 ive noticed too firbeck,again without looking up on 'wiki',i read somewhere that theres a large population of Italians in Argentina, and many Germans went there after the war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJBrenton 738 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 There was large scale immigration way before that too. Throughout Latin America dark skin is a characteristic more common amongst the poor. European heritage tends to be prized and is more prevalant among the middle and upper classes so the comment about officers and men is accurate. Latin America was my field of study at uni. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mgread1200 141 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Had to laugh at the English fans who painted their faces with the German flag and held the banner "Look what youv'e done to us Roy" I don't have a problem I am a European and will be supporting "Germany" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,205 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 There was large scale immigration way before that too. Throughout Latin America dark skin is a characteristic more common amongst the poor. European heritage tends to be prized and is more prevalant among the middle and upper classes so the comment about officers and men is accurate. Latin America was my field of study at uni. YOU can help me then DJB,I read somewhere that there is a Welsh speaking settlement high up in the Andes,? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJBrenton 738 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Patagonian Welsh is a feature in Southern Argentina rather than the Andes. A large number of Welsh migrated there in the mid 19th century worried that their culture and language were being wiped out. The language has developed into a dialect spoken by 10s of thousands. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I did have a look on Wiki which states that the number of people of European descent could be between 82.9 and 97%, seems a bit high to me, what do you think DJB. The Germans clearly had a presence before WW2, let's face it, the government were Fascist and the Nazis supplied them with a lot of military equipment. Despite operating in the area it was unlikely that the Graf Spee would have sunk any Argentine ships. No doubt it became a bolt hole for Nazis after the war because of the large German population and it was unlikely that Peron would have hunted them down. Ooops, going off track a bit here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJBrenton 738 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 It could be correct. Indiginous peoples rarely flourished once Europeans arrived and have been outbred ever since. Most of the Americas only have minority populations of indiginous people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mudgie49 401 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 There was a huge migration of Europeans in the 1840s',due to various wars in Europe. Re #1,I have always thought France to be the'traditional enemy'of England. We have a friend who is Argentinian,of German immigrant stock. I will have to call him to see who he's rooting for! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Re #1,I have always thought France to be the'traditional enemy'of England. Can you think of any country that isn't a former enemy of England, Portugal was always supposed to be our traditional 'friend' but it didn't stop them from allowing U-boats to provision from supply ships in their ports did it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJBrenton 738 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Sir Humphrey Appleby: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MELTONSTILTON 452 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I hate football, so I will support no one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Compo 10,328 Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I lived for two years in the Falklands and have spent three months in Argentina. The Argies are no different to anyone else really. There is a huge Italian influence throughout and in the south plenty of Welsh language spoken. I favour the Argies over the Fatherland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,205 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 So come on then, who you want to lift the trophy tonight ?, i want Argentina to win it, purely because they are the underdogs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
annswabey 599 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 I want Argentina to win, too, but I don't think they will Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,205 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 half time ann,i think they could nick it! Messi to score? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 They paid to see this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 GOAL by GERMANY 3secs after I posted, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,205 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 neh mind,at least we had a punt Ann Quote Link to post Share on other sites
annswabey 599 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Wasn't to be, was it? Shame! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Booth 7,364 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 To regain confidence in the England Squad, Roy Hodgson has arranged a friendly against Iceland. Should they win, he will be arranging further friendlies in the future against Asda, Morrisons and Sainsbury's. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomlinson 879 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Be interesting to see who are Sportsman/Sportswoman of the Year for this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LizzieM 9,518 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 We may not be able to find anyone outstanding in our soccer, cricket, rugby, cycling teams this year but there's still the Commonwealth Games coming up. Who knows, a new star may be born! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.