Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 We're all wrong, it's a Modified Hall, given away by the flush frames over the cylinders, the webs on the buffer beam and the slab sided Hawksworth tender that most of them had , though some tenders got transferred to earlier models.The Granges and Manors were built on the frames from withdrawn Class 43XX's and were very similar.A pity I never took the number, it was a Bilborough Grammar School railway society trip, maybe the kid with the notebook that you can see in the photo will read this and let us know. Here's an early Hall with Hawksworth tender in better days at Teignmouth when I was on holiday in 1962. This is not a Modified Hall Modified halls were numbered 6959-6999, 7900-7929 What this standard "Hall" has is a "Hawksworth" tender. The outside steam pipes went higher up the boiler barrel on a modified Hall The main frames extended to to the buffer beam on a modified hall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 An interesting comment, the Western Region had green locos that always seemed polished and well kept, they had lots of brass and cast number plates on the cab that always seem to be gleaming. This is my photo of a Grange Class taken at Crewe South shed in 1965, it's had everything stripped off of it as to be unidentifiable, I presume that someone had chalked the original number on the cabside which was common practice in those days. As you can see it was in steam and in use, but no survivors remain of this useful class even though they lasted until the end of steam on the WR. This is a "Modified" Hall see above post. Granges had slightly raised outside frames above the cylinders Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 P.S."Granges" had smaller driving wheels than a "Hall" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisB 150 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Yes, I've been waiting eagerly for the answers to the quiz as well! I'll have a guess at the penultimate one, is it the tunnel at Kirkby which was filled in, then dug out again for the opening of the Robin Hood Line? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ashley 288 Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 ChrisB and Phil spot on with their "quiz answers" 2 and 3 were where junction of GNR mainlines and line north to Bulwell Forest joined, Leen Valley Junction Hucknall Rd/Arnold Rd, 4 was opposite view south of no.1 and last was GCR bridge over the trent at Wilford, I did answer these earlier but post went astray? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Pete Thanks for sharing your images of those last steam trains from Victoria Station Nottingham, for others to enjoy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 859 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Bubblewrap You're getting your knickers in a twist here, I said that the tatty Modified Hall had webs on the buffer beam and that my later photo was of an earlier Hall with a Hawksworth tender. Hawksworth tenders found their way on to several classes including Castles and Counties. To get back on track, so to speak, go on YouTube and look up www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBvPRfkpS1A Archive Steam at Nottingham Victoria, it's been published on here before and shows 6911 Holker Hall ( not of the Modified variety and with a standard tender ) being rescued from derailment on the south end turntable at Vic by a B1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,467 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 ChrisB and Phil spot on with their "quiz answers" 2 and 3 were where junction of GNR mainlines and line north to Bulwell Forest joined, Leen Valley Junction Hucknall Rd/Arnold Rd, 4 was opposite view south of no.1 and last was GCR bridge over the trent at Wilford, I did answer these earlier but post went astray? The posts didn't go astray, they just got shunted back in the thread. I answered them at the time, and I think I got 50% correct. Go back to Post #150 to see my answers and Post #156 to see Ashley's reply. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BulwellBrian 107 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 P.S."Granges" had smaller driving wheels than a "Hall" 5'8" for the Grange 6'0" for the Hall. The boiler & cylinders were the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BulwellBrian 107 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 re 233 Leen Valley Junction was quite a busy place. The most unusual locos there were London & North Western 0-8-0's "Super D". They came up the GNR/LNWR joint line from Northampton. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Bubblewrap You're getting your knickers in a twist here, I said that the tatty Modified Hall had webs on the buffer beam and that my later photo was of an earlier Hall with a Hawksworth tender. Hawksworth tenders found their way on to several classes including Castles and Counties. To get back on track, so to speak, go on YouTube and look up www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBvPRfkpS1A Archive Steam at Nottingham Victoria, it's been published on here before and shows 6911 Holker Hall ( not of the Modified variety and with a standard tender ) being rescued from derailment on the south end turntable at Vic by a B1. Sorry I must learn to read all of the post before I went in with both feet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RGR 218 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 8th August 1964 Leicester to Skegness summer Saturdays only.9F 92030 in charge of a 12 coach express. (M. D. .) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Commo 1,292 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Brian, really good photo' of a great loco with the Vic Clock Tower and hotel in the background. Wht was the name on the Train Board displayed on front of the loco? I assume it was a Special, and what date was this taken? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 RCTS East Midlander? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BulwellBrian 107 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 It was the RCTS East Midlander No.7 on 9 May 1964. The departure time was 7:35am the photo was taken just before then. 46251 took the 12 coach train to Didcot, it was then replaced by 34038 LYNTON to Eastleigh for a visit to the works, then Swindon via Salisbury for the works there, after whitch 46251 returned to take the train back to the Vic. getting back at just after 10:30pm. A great day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisB 150 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Pete Thanks for sharing your images of those last steam trains from Victoria Station Nottingham, for others to enjoy. Even after all this time it's difficult to comprehend that one minute it was a living, breathing, working railway, doing a job, providing a service. Then the next minute, it was gone! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 859 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Sad thing is 'City of Nottingham' was offered to the council on it's withdrawal, just as 'City of Birmingham' was offered to theirs. City of Birmingham was obtained by the city council and put in a museum, NCC refused to take C of N saying that they hadn't got anywhere to put it, then opened the industrial museum at Wollaton Park. At least they obtained a nameplate, but due to the closure of the industrial museum, no-one can see that either, or has the industrial museum now reopened. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NJFNick 0 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 It has re-opened, not sure when though. Took my Dad and Sons around it in January and was pleasantly suprised. Lots of room for improvement still though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RGR 218 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Looking forward to "Mallard 75" in July this year at York. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlebro 234 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Me too RGR, Union of South Africa in Carlisle 9th March, some good videos on You Tube, search '60009' 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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alan (Wack) Walker 14 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 saw this at Derby open day about 1963. I was a train spotter, with my Ian Allen combo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert smith 803 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Ooops, I've been trying for some time to post these pics& I'm not sure now how I've done but they're here prompted by a 'mention' somewhere in the posts to these excellent photos. (albeit a lot of LNER!) I have a particular memory of this engine as I was a Midland Fireman for almost 16 years either side of 1950s and one day in, I think, May 1956 my driver & I were sent to Derby Shops to collect No 1000 resplendant in her old Midland Rly. colours and destined never to return to general traffic, special excursions only & eventually to retirement in York Museum.The "before" picture shows her in Nottm. Midland Stn, a few months previously Quote Link to post Share on other sites
notty ash 371 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 For anyone interested in photographs of trains around Nottingham, this topic on RmWeb has some very rare images, mixed in with photos from other locations. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69274-dave-f-more-photos-added-8-april-from-1947-to-1955ish/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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