Willow wilson

Thanks for researching that Cliff Ton. This one, next to the pub and near the shops and bus stops, post office etc certainly would carry a greater familiarity post-war than the other one and maybe prone to wrong identification. It's the Whitemoor mystery.

Points of interest. Opposite the pub was a playing field and along the south side of this was a prefabricated concrete building which I think, but not 100% sure, was an annexe for Berridge school (Jill ?). Towards Nottingham, next, was Wade's leather works. Then a row of terraced houses ending at a couple of shops and the post office. One of these houses was the hq office of Elliots steeplejacks. Across Albert avenue then a couple of Victorian houses and next, opposite Haslemere road was an archway which I believe accessed the back yard of a hosiery works which fronted onto Albert Ave. Next to this arch way (still on Nuthall rd) was a bread and confectioners by the name of Lillicrap. Further along was a small haberdashery/wool shop name of Brunt. Next along was a beautiful Victorian villa, 3 storey, double bay front and with an elegant arched front door access. This house was used in the 70s as student accommodation for American students at University. Somewhere here was the acces to Dalgliesh's. Next was Jones's soft drinks depot fronted by a large open concrete yard, good for racing bikes around after hours, and then a long blue brick yard at right angles to the main road and bounded on opposite long sides by 6 or 8 terraced houses. These were named Table Row I believe. There may have been 2 of these yards at one time. Next in line was the Nags Head pub. Opposite Brunts wool shop was Martin's garage and petrol station. South from here was a small TARDIS police box and then the Methodist church. Disclosure, my family lived in this vicinity, same house, for 76 years.

There was an orchard of sorts between Whitemoor Cottage and Haslemere rd, still there in the 60s. So from modern maps Haslemere would start just to the left of opposite Albert Ave, just about where that tree is touching the left edge of the pic. Albert Ave is shown diagonal, centre bottom of the picture. The first 4 (2 semis) houses built on north side of Haslemere had back gardens which shared the common boundary with Whitemoor Cottage. The old orchard now has modern houses built on it.

Jill, the Methodists vacated it probably owing to expense and lack of patronage. The Lutherans took it on and erected a new annex on ground to the west. This included a pre-school nursery which was very well attended. I think the wider Lutheran congregation met in a different church every week on a rota basis. Changing tack but still on the map, ref an earlier post, there is an access road just below and parallel to Albert Avenue that terminates in a cross shaped yard. On the north side of the yard was a workshop and store of Dalgliesh's.

Being picky here, Jill. The church in the centre of the pic (if that's the one you refer to) was Methodist until about 1970. The house marked W. Cottage on the aerial photo was the house I thought was Whitemoor lodge. It has a small porch on the front and it sits in a very large garden adjoining the pub (W. House). Unnamed but clearly shown on the map. It isn't W cottage. "W. Cottage" is clearly shown on the map to the left of this big house. W. Cottage as shown on the map is an empty plot nearer to Albert Avenue and has no building on it. Edit. but there again it could be and on the map that's the nearest place for its title

I've been wrong about Whitemoor lodge all me life. Just shows ya.

Alpha, the butcher you mention was a family business near Bar Lane. It was owned by a family named Sheffield.

Excellent map CT. Just a couple of location adjustments; looking at Whitemoor House on the map and Whitemoor pub on earth view they are the same outline plan and the map shows Whitemoor House opposite Wade's leather works entry, which would confirm it as being the exact position of the pub. The building between the pub, (Whitemoor House) and Whitemoor Cottage is the one I'm locating, it's the same layout and position that I remember but clearly not labelled as anything here. Its just 'a lodge' which I always assumed was Whitemoor Lodge. It was in such a run down condition that it must have been concurrent with Whitemoor lodge near the railway in earlier pre-war days. They didn't take any newspapers from my particular newsagent and since I delivered opposite that bit of Nuthall road I didnt call or get the postal name or number. In mitigation I can't remember (going back maybe 65 years or more), any original Lodge near the railway, only industrial units, so it's been gone a while.

That's correct Jill. One and the same building. Redeveloped as Lodge Close. Edit. It's interesting to note that Lomax who have a building materials yard adjacent to the railway give their address as Whitemoor Lodge, 2 Nuthall Road. That said, I do vaguely remember a dirty plaque declaring Whitemoor Lodge on the stone gatepost of the lodge near the Whitemoor pub.

Bobbers mill crossing 1900s-1920s? from an earlier post, looking north. This Wheatsheaf pub was rebuilt facing Aspley Lane to the left and is now a fast food retail. The railway is still there as is the (rebuilt) footbridge. The crossing was closed to the road traffic and permanently fenced off when the main road bridge was built, 30s. Following the road round (about a quarter mile) behind and beyond the horse and cart is where the Whitemoor pub was built and adjacent to that was a big old overgrown house behind a high Bulwell-stone wall which we knew, in the 50s, as Whitemoor Lodge. Probably replacing the original near the crossing?? Either that or it was commonly known as that by default or folklore.

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'The question is' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

I went to the Senior in 1969. Cheap trip included train tickets to Liverpool, ferry tickets, a bag of sandwiches, and a copy of MCN, courtesy of MCN; 5 quid. We met friends in Ramsey who gave us a lift up to our chosen spot, The Gooseneck. Highlight was of course Agostini on the MV. Gooseneck was a slow corner and while the field were negotiating it, knees out, elbows out, Agostini, who had caught most of them passed them here on the outside then disappeared up the hill leaving a black rubber line on the road, sounds were awesome since we were sitting on the roadside bank, feet dangling over the edge of the road. That year the course marshalls were riding the Triumph Trident 3 and I think they were in a 'display' mood as they opened them up departing the Gooseneck. The howl of the 3 was new to me at the time and quite bloodcurdling. A great day out roughing it, sleeping on the night ferry deck on the way home.

Late1959/early 1960 Col, perhaps would have been pre-proto Jaycats, can't remember. Ivan Jay was in this band I think before Lee who joined us very shortly after. We had a regular turnover of members, about one every 3 weeks or so including me eventually. I could do rhythm or bass and doing a gig in the Radford youth club (which became Clements piano showroom) the then bass player took a turn on the stage upright piano to sing Cockran's 'Something Else', lending me his red Fender precision bass (deep joy) it being a feature of that song. He was known I believe as Max and he replaced me soon after. There was a regular rhythm player who survived me in that band who later I believe went on to seek his fortune on cruise ship entertainment. At one time we had a drummer who lived down Newquay avenue. One thing very evident to me at that time was the single-minded determination and ambition to succeed in this career which motivated Jay and Lee. They insisted on the same commitment from everybody, which was not my style at the time.

Gigged in a band with Alvin Lee and Ivan Jay in 1960.