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#1 OFFLINE   cheruk

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 02:47 PM

Hi all

I am a newbie on this forum, and I am researching my family history of Collins.

I have just looked up my Gt Gt Grandfather, who was named George Collins. According to the 1881 census he was lodging at 73 Red Lion St, Nottingham St Mary. which I understand was previously called Narrow Marsh. However, this address at the time, had 1 head of household and 26 lodgers. George was listed as married but his wife was not in this lodging. They had children subsequently, so I assume the marriage was intact. He was aged 36 and unemployed at the time.

I am not sure what kind of lodging this was.

Can anyone please shed any light on this place?

I would be so grateful of any info

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 02:53 PM

Oops! BooBoo, it was John Collins, but its fairly irrelevant to the question either way :-)

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 06:57 PM

I have just looked up my Gt Gt Grandfather, who was named George Collins. According to the 1881 census he was lodging at 73 Red Lion St, Nottingham St Mary. which I understand was previously called Narrow Marsh. However, this address at the time, had 1 head of household and 26 lodgers. George was listed as married but his wife was not in this lodging. They had children subsequently, so I assume the marriage was intact. He was aged 36 and unemployed at the time.


Hello Chrissy. You've come to the right place to find the answers to slightly obscure questions like yours

Here's my contribution to it. This is 1899, and No.73 seems to be under the name of Thomas Murphy


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Posted 10 April 2011 - 07:42 PM

Hello Chrissy. You've come to the right place to find the answers to slightly obscure questions like yours

Here's my contribution to it. This is 1899, and No.73 seems to be under the name of Thomas Murphy


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Oh you star Cliff!

I knew John had fallen on hard times, and was just a lodger there but its good to know it was actually a lodging house. But I wonder why his wife wasn't with him. Hmmmmm. But you have answered my question. Thank you so much :-)

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 07:59 PM

Just a guess, but maybe she moved in with family while he went out looking for work.
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 09:02 PM

You are looking for 73 Red Lion Street.

To give an idea of the kind of place it might be THIS is what 62-64 looked like.

Not exactly Travelodge or Holiday Inn

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:36 PM

What were his wife and children's names? I have a few Nottingham records and I'll look to see what I can find for you.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 02:06 PM

Well done, Cliff Ton.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 03:12 PM

A bit more for you on Red Lion Street/Narrow Marsh, Chrissy.

Red Lion Street
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http://www.nottingha...development.htm

http://www.nottshist...erary1926p1.htm

http://www.nottingha...hotographs.aspx

http://nottstalgia.c...=+narrow +marsh

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:16 PM

you can see my great grandfathers name on that list he owned the logging houses from 71 to 107a narrow marsh at this time and lived with his wife four children plus up to ten lodgers at no 71 and had a family plus lodgers in the other houses my day told us as kids how bad the conditions were down thereand that the lodgers used to sleep in shifts some working day afternoons or night shifts so shearing beds so it was only the saturday and sunday nights that there was a problem

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:29 PM

sorry just look again 71 was mygreat great grandfather henryclemets 99 to 101 was great grandfather george clements my grandfather was henry and my father was george henry named after all of these george and henry being family names for generations his mothers father was also george so i suppose that stopped arguments, dad was the only boy in his family as well as the eldest chiled.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:08 PM

chrissy have you checked radford workhouse cencus for this time for wife and childrenits possible he lived in a lodging house to have a addressas even in those days employers looked more favorbly on peoly who had an address than no fixed abode or workhouse this way once he was in work it would be easier to find accomidationand be reunited with his familyif they were in a workhouse or living with family members

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:19 PM

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:30 PM

Its only because the picture is black and white that it looks depressing.
Well perhaps the rain as well... and the uneven road... Oh and the smog...
and the miserable faces... and the drab clothing...
and the oss tods!

Folks ud give their hind legs for good unlimited parking like that nowadays.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:26 PM

Fascinating History; I can see that I'm in danger of spending most of tomorrow reading through this, plus references. :)

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:44 PM

yes narrow marsh has agreat history jack son with it being so close to the lace market and city centre and lots of leather workers also in this area some leather works in the caves nearby . my grandfather henry was a leather dresser his father a maker of fine shoes and his father too was also in leather work of some kind and i think that was why they first moved to narrow marsh took in lodgers and gradually brought more propoties

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:47 AM

Hi Babs, thanks for getting back; hope you've written on your history. :)

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:20 PM

Babs, perhaps we could get together one day and write a book / booklet? :)

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 08:06 AM

been thinking of doing something on my memories of netherfield in the fifties have a few things written in rough but have never looked into it seriously.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:08 AM

A bit more for you on Red Lion Street/Narrow Marsh, Chrissy.

Red Lion Street
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http://www.nottingha...development.htm

http://www.nottshist...erary1926p1.htm

http://www.nottingha...hotographs.aspx

http://nottstalgia.c...=+narrow +marsh

This particular photo is not of NarrowMarsh/Red Lion Street but of one of the many side yards that went down to Canal Steet/Leen Side.
There was no gutter down the centre of Red Lion Street & ther was a pavement there too.