Bilbraborn 1,594 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 At the end of the day, the workers will never win. Just remember what happened to all our motor building industry, shipbuilding industry, locomotive building industry and textiles industry. Any industry which has to compete with the rest of the world has to be strike-free. Like I said, we all deserve good wages and conditions, but in the private sector, striking for more pay usually ends with less jobs and even no jobs. It is easy for the public sector, all that they have to do is raise taxes or council taxes. Then we all have to pay more. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mgread1200 141 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Exactly right Bilbraborn! The private sector makes the money and the public sector spends it. Both work hand in fist with each other and the public sector cannot have a better time of it unless the private sector is doing very well. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Re post 25 and it was like permanent nights too...........................................Not mutch light on the coal face. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 As Springsteen once said, "Unions have been the only effective voice working people have ever had in the history of this country." He was referring to the States but it applies equally here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 To a better tune Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Exactly right Bilbraborn! The private sector makes the money and the public sector spends it. Both work hand in fist with each other and the public sector cannot have a better time of it unless the private sector is doing very well. AND as a general rule the public sector does what the private sector wont do as there is no money(profit) to be made unless you pay rock bottom wages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bilbraborn 1,594 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 You certainly won't make a profit having one bloke up a ladder, two holding it and three watching. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 And a Foreman>Manager>Section manager>Departmental Manager,>Construction Manager> Regional Manager.... etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Booth 7,364 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Don't forget elf & safety. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 You certainly won't make a profit having one bloke up a ladder, two holding it and three watching. All with a company supplied van each of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 #31 Once upon a time I would have agreed with that post but it is not so these days. My wife worked in a council home for elderly dementia people before retirement and they were much better paid than the people working in the private sector. Nottingham council gas engineers are paid very well £800 to £1000 a week dependent on skill level. Our once poor cousins in the public sector have done very well for themselves over the last decade or so, both in pay levels and terms and conditions. As has been pointed out without a thriving private sector you can't have a thriving public sector, after all it's the private sector that makes the money that pays the taxes that pay for everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siddha 825 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I thought that if you worked (whether in the private or public sector) then you pay taxes . Most money spent by anybody is taxed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
denshaw 2,877 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Council gas engineers used to earn good bonuses, a lot of bonuses have now stopped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/nov/21/public-sector-employment-uk-map Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StephenFord 866 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Strikes are occasionally necessary, but usually a mug's game. A week on strike is a voluntary 2% pay cut during the current year that you never get back, whatever the eventual settlement. You may also be sawing through the branch you are sitting on! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Compo 10,328 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Post #3: It must be a mammoth task for union leaders to find a strike date that suits ALL teachers. With holidays being at different times throughout the UK council areas and three months out before you even start to look for a date; it must be enough to put most people off even trying! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 What are the purpose these days of such long school breaks??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Booth 7,364 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 We didn't moan when we were at school though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 #37. If you work out that public sector workers are paid from the public purse it doesn't quite work that way. Yes they seem to pay all the same taxes as everyone else, but as it is taxes that pay their wages in the first place they are only putting back some of what they have received. Only the private sector makes money to pay taxes that mean anything. If we took a public sector worker and deducted £50 from his/her wages then reduced their tax bill by the same amount it would make not the slightest difference to the balance in the public purse or to their standard of living. The private sector taxes provide everything that the that the public worker has to spend, from their taxes, to the socks on their feet to the cars they drive. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Bilbraborn 1,594 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 I must say that we absolutely do need the public sector. But the difference is this. In the private sector, all the money comes from what is produced. Every penny has to be accounted for. Even in management. In the public sector (usually) nothing is produced to be sold to pay wages. It is all taken from taxes or council taxes. So easy. Staff need a pay rise? increase the tax or council tax. Why do modern council leaders pay themselves so much? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Booth 7,364 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 The simple answer, Bilbraborn, is because they can. Their pay and pension pots are scandalous, yet they don't think twice when they hit the poor and aged as they claim they have no money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 The rot started when they began to use the term 'local government' gives them ideas well above their station in life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Why do modern council leaders pay themselves so much? UKIP Councillors David Sprason and Lynton Yates proposed at the Leicestershire County Council budget meeting to cut members expenses saving over £102,000 the Tories and Lib Dems voted against it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siddha 825 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Why don't we privatise the lot - including councils? It might then be interesting to see who pays themselves so much!! I am not convinced that the needs of working people, the poor or the aged would be any higher in the pecking order. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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