DJ360 6,730 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Yesterday, Thursday. I woke up feeling rough. Sweating, headache and visual disturbances.... probably Migraine related I thought.. but I did a Lateral Flow Test to be sure. Negative. Phew!! Felt better as the day went on and spent all day in the garden. Wall to wall sunshine. Lovely. I decided to have a can of Heinz Mulligatawney Soup for lunch. I like it. I took my soup into the garden and as I prepared to scoff it.. a particularly crazed wasp began buzzing around my head. I put down the soup on the end of the sun lounger upon which I was seated and tried to ignore the wasp.. but it persisted..so I resorted to waving my hands about a bit. Next I knew.. the wasp flew around my head and then nose dived into my soup. Impressive! I can see the headlines. "World's first Kamikaze Wasp Species named Vespa Kamikaziensis Stupidus". Naturally..the soup being hot.. the wasp promptly expired. What was it thinking? Whatever... I scooped it out, disposed of it and then continued with my lunch. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,600 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Poor little wasp! At least it was a relatively quick death (I hope) On a vaguely related subject, as we were driving home on Tuesday, we passed a ‘protest camp’ near Huntingdon outside a puppy farm where beagles are being bred for experimental testing in a lab. It was a country road and the camp was spread out for quite a way with a lot of people holding banners about ‘puppy murderers’. It was well organised with portaloos and camper vans. I hate the idea of testing on animals but if it’s testing new lifesaving drugs, maybe (just maybe) it’s acceptable? I expect the puppies are treated well - I hope so…. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,307 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Sorry, Margie but testing on animals is never acceptable in my book! Sentient beings who have done nothing wrong being subjected to all manner of horrors to benefit the two legged pests who are destroying the planet and breeding seemingly uncontrollably. Testing being carried out on convicted murderers, paedophiles, drug dealers...fine by me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,149 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 .Trouble is Jill, that's when the do-gooders come out of the woodwork and start shouting about 'Human Rights', and invasion of personal space. I've read, in some cases, inmates on Death row have volunteered to undergo some trials. Their reason being, they've got nothing to lose. NB, not necessarily my opinion ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,730 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 As ever.. though not completely sure..I'm inclined to a sort of middle path. Much depends upon how animals are treated..what they are being tested with/for etc. One other small point. Many animals are now pretty much dependent upon man for their continued existence and health. So.. while most 'wild' animals would no doubt benefit....All those cute little pussycats and doggies which we imprison and anthropomorphise for our amusement, would be in deep doo-doos in short order were we to suddenly disappear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,418 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 I wonder if any of the protestors feel strongly enough to stop using their medication... Levothyroxine - tested on Dogs, rats and mice Crestor, sold under various names is the biggest selling statin - Tested on rats, beagle dogs, mice, cats, monkeys, rabbits Nexium, popular treatment for stomach problems etc. - tested on rats, beagles, mice and rabbits... The list goes on and on, we have to be careful here not to be hypocritical. We can't claim the moral high ground and at the same time benefit from animal tested medicines 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,600 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 I feel the same as you about this Brew - it is a very difficult problem though. I certainly wouldn’t approve of animal testing done for cosmetics or other non essential stuff. I agree with you too Col, in some ways….. our pampered pets wouldn’t last long if humans weren’t there to feed them and take them to the vets when they are ill or injured. I know my cats catch birds and mice to supplement the food we give them but that supply wouldn’t last long with all the cats round here! It would truly be survival of the fittest as all the unneutered animals battled for survival probably suffering painful injuries in the process. I’m in favour of people volunteering for drug testing but not criminals being forced to do so. just my opinion… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,307 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Yes, it bothers me enormously that the levothyroxine I take has been tested on animals, to the extent that I continually think about not taking it any longer. I have rejected other medications in the past for the same reason. My life is no more important than theirs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,418 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Please don't let anything I say, or anyone else for that matter, convince you to stop. The reult could be serious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,149 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Animals bred for the specific purpose of testing drugs. To a lesser extent but in the same context, the breeding of bulls in Spain for bullfight. I thought it was barbaric, until a Spaniard pointed out to me that those bulls owe their very existence to that sport(?) They're bred for that and they are revered(spelling) by their owners. (Just saying is all). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,307 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 I'm not the type of person who is influenced by what other people say. The worst that could happen if I ceased taking levothyroxine is that my body would die. That doesn't frighten me. Bull fighting, bear baiting, Fox hunting, cock/dog fighting? The pastime of moronic barbarians wbo, no matter how they try to justify their actions, are beneath contempt in my opinion. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,600 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 I definitely agree with your last paragraph, Jill. Inflicting pain on any living thing just for pleasure is always wrong, I believe 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,160 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 To kill for so called sport.......ie Bull Fighting....even Grouse shooting is abominable.......man doesn't own the World.....i don't even believe in Killing for food......we can live without meat...... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,138 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 A friend of mine used to be the secretary of the South Nott's Hunt. She used to hunt the fox until the practice was outlawed. She was a member of a 'caring profession'; a nursing sister. In her retirement she has been administering Covid vaccines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,149 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Don't shoot the messenger. It's not my opinion. I don't want to die ! I'll keep taking the Levothyroxine if you don't mind, along with all my other medication. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,307 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Calm down, Beekay! We all have free will. That means we can do as we choose but, as with most things in life, there's usually a bill to pay eventually. I'm trying to keep mine to a minimum! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,160 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Need a new black suit.........old one about had it........usually go in town and have a good look round some decent Tailors.......however don't wear a suit very often and sadly when i do it must be black........ So thought i'd go into Bulwell Matalan and get one not costing a fortune........after looking at all their stock decided ''Get back into town''...... Anyway thought while i'm here i'll get a nice shirt......again nothing that i fancied.........so then went in a charity shop and bought a ''Snood'' for a quid....Coffee in ''Jerohms'' nice chat with an old Pal.......so morning not so bad after all........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,467 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, benjamin1945 said: Anyway thought while i'm here i'll get a nice shirt......again nothing that i fancied.........so then went in a charity shop and bought a ''Snood'' for a quid... I only started buying clothing from charity shops a few years ago, but I've had jackets and shoes from them and it's all decent quality stuff ..... and you know you've contributed to a good cause. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,307 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Ben, I think you're the last person who would need a snood! I've disposed of no end of stuff lately to charity shops. Always, in my case, animal charities and Age UK. They're delighted to accept the items. I hate waste. This way, things are recycled and raise a bit for good causes. Everyone is suited. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Deadman’s shoes You can’t beat crisp brand new fresh out the bag Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,307 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Third world sweatshop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Brand new socks after a week on me dogs ....... heaven Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IAN FINN 808 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 Think you are preparing for Saturday night our ben. (Palais). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,730 Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Mrs Col is away..so I'm having another late night vinyl session. Nanci Griffith again. Her music is really suited to late night listening and her first album is sounding better than ever. Does anyone else find that their music system sounds better late at night? It's a phenomenon often reported by hi fi nerds like me. Various theories exist as to reasons. -Less 'ambient' noise from the outside world. -Less heavy machinery etc., running off the power grid, resulting in 'cleaner' mains electricity. -Similar one.. less demand so 'leccy' more likely to be at correct voltage. -There could of course be all kinds of psychological and biological reasons..to do with 'body clocks' etc. -Then there is booze.. and 'certain substances'.. Who knows..? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,160 Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 Years ago today i was ''Laryngetamised''.....Quite a day........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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