Cliff Ton

Was this thread prompted by the bearded ladyman at Eurovision?

http://nottstalgia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12379&hl=beard

See this thread, post #15 http://nottstalgia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105&hl=%2Blone+%2Branger#entry108232

The Post has virtually no physical connection with Nottingham these days. The people who write that stuff have probably never been near the place and know nothing about Nottingham.

I suppose it's also due to the ever-decreasing number of people who can contribute or reminisce. They are either no longer around, or their memory isn't what it used to be ! The audience for the "good old days" is permanently shrinking. I don't very often see Bygones, but I presume that - if they haven't already - they will have to start looking back at the 70s and 80s because people born in those years will soon be the new "oldies".

The main thing to remember is that on both your journeys - in and out - you will be travelling against the main flow of traffic, so your journey will be relatively easy. You will be able to wave at the people sitting in queues going the other way.

Amazing but true, I have O level Russian, although I'm not sure how much of it I can remember after almost 40 years.

On the Old Maps website there's the more serious version of that game. At every location you look at, you get an example of a Russian map from the 1970s. These are genuine and were created at the height of the Cold War, and show what the Communist Bloc were looking at when the idea of nuke Nottingham was a real possibility. This map may look familiar, until you see the language used for the street names.

Considering it was a fairly important event in the history of this country, it's almost ignored here. It's not only Robin Hood that gets underplayed; the only reference to Charles raising his standard around here is this pathetic stone in the middle of the road at Standard Hill. I'll bet almost no-one knew this was even there.

There's a lot of similarities between the Bible and the Robin Hood legend. Both are a collection of folk tales and myths which have accumulated and been modified over time. Impossible to know what might have been true within them.

And as a total digression, the warehouse/factory building which keeps getting mentioned and is in the middle of all of this https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.989509,-1.174103,3a,75y,216.26h,90.53t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sRgoZnFXzRweipJg7BG6M9w!2e0?hl=en at least until the mid 90s was operated by Britains toy company who made (still make ?) all the toy soldiers etc.

Ashley, I think it depends on your definition of Up or Down Arnold Road. This is the embankment I was referring to

And if you go slightly further down Arnold Road to here https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.98931,-1.17464,3a,75y,219.57h,93.78t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQ-OfNOjc3g2pxcaVGFP8cg!2e0?hl=en you see a small embankment behind the red sign. That is the cut-down embankment of the link from the GC which went over the road to the GN line towards Basford.

If you want an idea of what that area looked like in 1927, this should keep you occupied for a while. http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;NTGM003038&prevUrl= http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;NTGM008776&prevUrl= http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;NTGM008791&prevUrl= http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;NTGM008793

I reckon closest equivalent you can get today is this - through the trees and buildings. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.989545,-1.173966,3a,75y,299.45h,89.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAqCgO71uHFnsX6OFs3QUuA!2e0?hl=en

I don't think so. I'm sure that building has been mentioned in a thread somewhere on here a couple of years ago, but so far I can't find it.

Ashley, by messing around with various bits, I've got it in a format where the world can see it.

In the thread I linked to, http://nottstalgia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9939&page=1 see posts #5 and #6.

The main thread which mentions the location of the various Pownall shops is here http://nottstalgia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9939&page=1

Michael, things move quickly round here...... http://nottstalgia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12423&hl=

Answering my own question. For a location reference, Loggerheads over on the right is still there.

If it had been allowed to have a natural life, would it still be there at all? If it didn't have artificial help, would it have died years ago?

A quick trawl through a few sources seems to suggest it changed somewhere in the last 20 years of the 19th century. On the 1899 OS reprint it's called Red Lion Street. On Old Maps (which is an offshoot of OS) 1881 calls it Narrow Marsh; 1901 calls it Narrow Marsh; and 1916 has Red Lion Street. On other maps I found Narrow Marsh in 1875 and Red Lion Street by 1912. And where did the 'Red Lion' come from? Presumably a pub?

I was going to suggest aerial photography which may partly the answer for your original example, but then I realised that a lot of stuff on Old Maps is pre-aircraft. This is Hungerhill Road allotments 1911 (not too long after the Wright brothers had made the first flight) and earlier versions also have a similar degree of detail. I can understand a man with a clipboard doing it for houses, but would he really have trudged his way so meticulously round an allotment area this size ?

The only thing that's worse than being looked at, is not being looked at.