mary1947 2,090 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Any member who lives/or use to come from Hucknall and reads the local Dispatch will know what I'm talking about. Any way here goes in the Dispatch the other week was an interesting article Why don't we teach "Nursery Rhymes to younger children? any more this was a question asked by a reader. I agree why do we not teach "Nursery Rhymes" any more. All they seem to teach now is "the wheels on the bus" Nursery Rhymes were a great way of getting children learning about times past example! Ring a Ring of Roses this rhyme was chanted after the black death as the ending was all fall down, their are many more Rhymes that tell us things that did happen in the past. Lets hear members views on the subject. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,335 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 This is just another example of attempts to sideline the study of history. Nursery rhymes are fascinating and many are highly political comments on historical events and situations. They should be part of children's education as they often led to questions on the child's part about the origin of the rhyme. Thus, an interest in history develops. Our history is one of the most illustrious in the world and we SHOULD BE PROUD OF IT! 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,648 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Who was it said "Without history there is no future" Rog 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Compo 10,328 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 You did just now, Rog! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Compo 10,328 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Innit marvellous! I spent ages replying to this topic and it has just disappeared! Trying again: For Mary1947...... Ring-a-ring o' roses, A pocket full of posies, A-tishoo! A-tishoo! We all fall down. Cows in the meadows Eating buttercups A-tishoo! A-tishoo! We all jump up. The invariable sneezing and falling down in modern English versions have given would-be origin finders the opportunity to say that the rhyme dates back to the Great Plague. A rosy rash, they allege, was a symptom of the plague, and posies of herbs were carried as protection and to ward off the smell of the disease. Sneezing or coughing was a final fatal symptom, and "all fall down" was exactly what happened. However according to Wikipedia, folklore scholars regard the theory as baseless for several reasons: The plague explanation did not appear until the mid-twentieth century. The symptoms described do not fit especially well with the Great Plague. The great variety of forms makes it unlikely that the modern form is the most ancient one, and the words on which the interpretation are based are not found in many of the earliest records of the rhyme. European and 19th-century versions of the rhyme suggest that this "fall" was not a literal falling down, but a curtsy or other form of bending movement that was common in other dramatic singing games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Compo 10,328 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Diddle, diddle, dumpling, my son John, Went to bed with his trousers on; One shoe off, and the other shoe on, Diddle, diddle, dumpling, my son John. Mary had a little lamb, It followed her to sleep, The lamb turned out to be a ram, Now Mary's full of....no wait a minute, can't use that one on here - it's a family forum! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,648 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Mary had a little lamb she also had a bear,I have seen her little lamb but I've never seen her b- - - no better not Rog Rog 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,614 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Compo, your post that you say had disappeared was in 'whatever happened to...' because I've just replied to It!! we're both getting our threads mixed up... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,614 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Reading 'diddle diddle dumpling ... ' reminded me of one nursery rhyme my mum used to sing to me... 'Old Mother Slipper Slopper jumped out of bed and out of the window she popped her head "John, John, John, the grey goose is gone and the fox has gone to the town - O' well, she was a country girl who used to live on a farm... Also... 'Sing cock a doodle do, my dame has lost her shoe, my master's lost his fiddling stick and doesn't know what to do' What is a fiddling stick, I wonder 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,494 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Compo said: Innit marvellous! I spent ages replying to this topic and it has just disappeared! 20 minutes ago, MargieH said: Compo, your post that you say had disappeared was in 'whatever happened to...' because I've just replied to It!! we're both getting our threads mixed up... I apologise for causing the chaos...... The nursery rhymes had originally started in "Whatever happened to.." but I moved them into their own separate thread - which is this one. Unfortunately everything crossed at the same time. Hopefully we are now stable. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,335 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I remember all those, Margie. Loved my book of nursery rhymes as a very young child. Besides their history, they develop children's sense of rhythm, pitch and memory. Most important of all are early language skills. Sadly, health visitors today often express concern that children do not or cannot communicate verbally because no one talks or reads to them. Extremely sad. By the age of 18 months, I'm told that people were telling me to be quiet! No surprise there, then! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carni 10,094 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 44 minutes ago, MargieH said: What is a fiddling stick, I wonder Perhaps he played the violin Margie. Hope So? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,429 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Rhythm, pitch and memory. I don't think anybody read to me. Maybe that's why I struggle with rhythm and timing in music. They always seemed to me to be telling me to shurrup! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,335 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 There is evidence that our first form of communication as a species was through pitched sound...an early form of singing! Our remote ancestors probably sounded a bit like Jake when he howls: Where's me dinner, dad? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mary1947 2,090 Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 30/11/2017 at 10:34 AM, Compo said: Diddle, diddle, dumpling, my son John, Went to bed with his trousers on; One shoe off, and the other shoe on, Diddle, diddle, dumpling, my son John. Mary had a little lamb, It followed her to sleep, The lamb turned out to be a ram, Now Mary's full of....no wait a minute, can't use that one on here - it's a family forum! LIKE IT LIKE IT Compo But my father always said this quote Mary had a little lamb, its feet were as black as soot, and into Marys bread and jam, he puts his sooty foot. Amazing what you remember. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chulla 4,946 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 I had a little nut tree, nothing would it bear, But a silver nutmeg and a golden pear. The King of Spain's daughter came to visit me, And all because of my little nut tree. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,429 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Fight the good fight with all your might sit on a barrel of dynamite light the fuse and you will see. Italy, France, and Germany. As you say, funny what you remember. Kids twisted a hymn we used to sing in assembly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siddha 825 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 I found this on an on-line thesaurus .................................... The term fiddlesticks derives from the literal 'fiddle sticks', that is, the bows that are used to play violins. Those have been named in English since the 14th century - then as 'fydylstyks'. The word was appropriated to indicate absurdity in the 17th century. Thomas Nashe used it that way in the play Summer's Last Will and Testament, 1600: A fiddlesticke! ne're tell me I am full of words. There's nothing inherently comic about a violin bow. It seems that 'fiddlestick' was chosen just because it sounds like a comedy word, like 'scuttlebutt' (a cask of drinking water), 'lickspittle' (a sycophant) and 'snollygoster' (an unprincipled person). In the same way the 'I don't give a fig' was originally 'I don't give a fig's end', that is, it referred to something insignificant, 'fiddlesticks' was originally 'fiddlestick's end', that is, it was a reference to something paltry, trifling and absurd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,614 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, Chulla said: I had a little nut tree, nothing would it bear, But a silver nutmeg and a golden pear. The King of Spain's daughter came to visit me, And all because of my little nut tree. So what does this one mean? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woody 555 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Don't know but give the pc brigade half an hour and they'll find something allegedly offensive that the rest of us would ignore. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,429 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Yep, it's quite offensive to Spaniards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Commo 1,292 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 I believe it refers to the marriage of Catherine of Aragon of the royal Spanish court to Prince Arthur, the eldest son of Henry 7th, but the reference to nut trees evades me, unless it meant that Arthur had very little wealth and needed her dowry. Arthur died within a year of the marriage and in order to keep her dowry she was then wed to Arthur`s brother Henry who became the 8th on his father's demise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gem 1,430 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Ben and I went back to school after last weeks little spat, and this afternoon we went into the nursery for sing along. The who lady who takes the singing is in her 60s so sings all the old nursery rhymes, she says the one that gets her goat is BaBa black sheep, she sings BaBa little sheep. The only problem is for some reason Ben howls to Mary Mary quite contrary and Hickory Dickory Dock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woody 555 Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Since when has little been a colour? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,648 Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Hey diddle diddle the cat had a tiddle on the kitchen floor, the little dog laughed to see such fun so the cat tiddled some more My kids used to love me telling them nursery rhymes Rog 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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