Waddo 921 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I remember the fox and grapes murder, as my gran had a couple of poster's up in the café. The reason it was called pretty windows is self explanatory, nothing more mysterious than that! Also, it had a license to allow the market trader's to get a drink outside of normal opening times. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I was 15 at the time and I remember the police knocking on our door during their house to house enquiries. My prize possession was a Bowie knife in a leather sheath - my grandma hid it under the mattress! One theme that ran through all the rumours was that the murderer was someone from the gay community and that nobody spoke to the police because they were, at that time, breaking the law! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 Yesterday I found myself in the Pretty Windows enjoying a pint before heading to the Arena and I got to thinking again about the 1963 murder. For my own interest (I love researching mysteries as folks who have read my Francis Lovell piece know) I've decided to collate all of the newspaper articles, rumours etc., regarding the murder of George Wilson and write an article of my own. In deference to any of Mr. Wilson's surviving family it would not be for general publication. If anybody has any more recollections or rumours relating to the murder I'd be very grateful if you could share them with me - either on the forum or by pm. If you pm me I can assure you that it will be treated with the strictest confidentiality and no sources will be divulged! May thanks to those who have already got in touch with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, AfferGorritt said: found myself in the Pretty Windows Glad you referred to it as "The Pretty Windows" they missed a trick there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 For me, always was, always will be. Nottstalgia for ever! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 Flitting about these threads like a little moth! Mentioned yesterday about completing my "book" (sounds a bit grandiose) but not publishing it due to having to fork out £40 a photo to use stuff from Picture the Past. Just had a thought. If I bought actual prints from PtP at £1.99 each then I assume that they are mine to do what I want with. If I scan those prints and then use the scans to illustrate the book have I infringed copyright? Any barrack room lawyers on here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,417 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 I rather think you will. Legally copying something is a grey area, think of copying music CDs, it's no different copying a photograph. Probably OK for personal use as a backup but to then pass it on to someone else or publish it and you're in trouble unless you also purchase the 'rights' Edit: Just had a quick chat with a friend and it may be permissible if you publish it and give full reference and credit to the rights owner BUT it's a minefield. In reality the chances of anyone raising objections would appear to be slim unless there is money involved. True story: A friend in Holland used 'Hello Kitty' as his game name and avatar in a Battlefield computer game. He used it for at least eight years but recently received a 'cease and desist' letter or face legal action form the rights owner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 But am I not copying my own property - the photo I now own by paying PtP. If it’s not my property then nobody would buy ‘owt! Agree that it’s a right minefield, and I now think I’m probably wrong. I’ll write to the IPO and let you know the outcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,417 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 I think you have bought the image and have the right to do with as you wish, except copy it or publish it. You can sell it or give it away but if you do you cannot retain a copy. I must say though I'm NOT a lawyer and relaying this information second hand. I've also found this: https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 Thanks for that, Brew. Guess I’m scuppered. Short update for those who don’t want to read the book (don’t blame you!). The fella the police fancied for the murder was Frank Wardle who killed a man in Nottingham in 1965. They went as far as submitting a file to the DPP which was thrown out due to lack of evidence. Difficult to see why they fancied him as the two crimes seems very different in their execution. The file on Wardle is in the National Archives and it’s open, so I’m planning a trip to Kew. Latest (and new) information on suspects is that a man was found in a garden in a village just outside Nottingham on the morning of the murder covered in blood. He was a regular at the Pretty Windows, was a bit of a lad, and worked along the A52 where the murder weapon was found. Other bits tie in as well, such as a Scottish link which was mentioned on here some years ago. Never reported to the police (until the other week) as he said he’d just been in a fight. I only found that out a few weeks ago, have spoken to the person who found him (happens to be a distant relative) and have absolutely no doubt that what they related was true. Have reported it to the police. Maybe just coincidence, but .... If anything develops I will keep you posted! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonab 1,644 Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 How times change. In the 1960's it was (inter)national news that some bloke was stabbed. Now, it seems commonplace and the news comments when people do not get stabbed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 Sadly jonab this is a daily occurrence in Nottingham these days, look at some one wrong & the knife comes out, make no mistake they will use it. This is just one aspect of this declining society we live in today, just look around here in Nottingham & see some of the samples breathing the air. However the Snowflakes will no doubt crawl out & start uttering those immortal words like "Deprived childhood" "No job" etc etc etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,597 Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 It's because of this so called snowflake culture we have these problems in todays society, we were all warned by a certain Mr Powel in his "rivers of blood" speech, it was the snowflake culture then that tried to quieten the bloke,the criminal justice system in this once great country of ours is a joke, the people who are supposed to be running this once great country are a joke, and the criminal classes are taking the piss out of the rest of us and there's no one to stop them for fear of being branded racist or homophobic or too right wing Rog 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Did he elaborate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 2:36 PM, plantfit said: It's because of this so called snowflake culture we have these problems in todays society, we were all warned by a certain Mr Powel in his "rivers of blood" speech, it was the snowflake culture then that tried to quieten the bloke,the criminal justice system in this once great country of ours is a joke, the people who are supposed to be running this once great country are a joke, and the criminal classes are taking the piss out of the rest of us and there's no one to stop them for fear of being branded racist or homophobic or too right wing Rog And Xenophobic whatever that means ! Googled it ! Xenophobia Xenophobia is the fear and distrust of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Xenophobia can involve perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup and can manifest itself in suspicion of the ... Guilty as charged M'lud ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,597 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 I don't know either Mick but it sounds well educated Rog 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 At last! No more avenues to explore, no more waiting for emails from the National Archives to tell me, "No, you can't have a look!" My short work on the Pretty Windows murder is finally finished! I put a link on here some time ago, but the "book" has grown slightly, and been re-written and re-jigged many times since. Also, we have new members who might be interested. I think I've polished it as much as I can, but there's some who say, "You can polish a t**d as much as you like, but it's still a t**d". (Excuse my vulgarity, ladies!) Anyway, for them as wants it you can download a pdf version here ABSOLUTELY FREE! ... https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApciJlF4GJnwgie-9S883LiT4jud Think I'm going to publish it using one of the web based self-publishing sites like Lulu. As I don't want to make any cash out of others misfortune I thought I'd donate any profits (profits! How vain is that!) to a charity that helps bereaved kids - like George Wilsons. Have found Griefencounter and Winstons Wish, but does anybody else know of a worthy cause? If the link doesn't work, and you'd like to read it, just pm me and I'll send a copy. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,683 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Cars gone in for M.O.T. and the wife's out with a friend , so just had time to download and read this . Affer G you've done a tremendous amount of research there ! Brilliant stuff , hope you get to publish it . To anyone else , it's well worth downloading . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Wow! Thanks very much for those kind words! What with waiting for emails from the National Archives etc. it took much longer than I thought, but I did enjoy all the research. I now feel that the Pretty Windows is very much my local although I don’t visit all that often. I’ve just finished formatting it and uploading to Lulu, an online printing company who also deal with distribution - for a commission! Don’t mind though. Don’t really want to make any profit out of it so all proceeds will be donated to Winston’s Wish - if there are any proceeds of course! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dodie 51 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 An interesting read, can see why it was never solved. Well done and good luck with the book. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AfferGorritt 868 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 I have finally given birth! 10 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,597 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 Well done AG hope it does well mate Rog 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LizzieM 9,507 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 Fantastic AG, well done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sue B 48 1,226 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 and a well done from me too AG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waddo 921 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 You've done a fine job there AG, well done and the best of luck with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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