IAN FINN 820 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Be careful DJ dont get heat stroke have a good night. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
denshaw 2,878 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Our 13 year old boiler packed up recently so we have decided to install a heat source pump, it's being fitted today and tomorrow. The government grant is £7.5k which brings down actual cost to £5.5k. I'll let you know what running costs are when it's been in a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,615 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 It’s expensive - I hope it works well! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,224 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 It requires super efficient insulation and, for the more elderly amongst us, the ability to live long enough to benefit from the savings! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,445 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 12 hours ago, denshaw said: The government grant is £7.5k which brings down actual cost to £5.5k. I'll let you know what running costs are when it's been in a while. I the cost is not so important as the noise level. be interesting to hear your views after it's up and running. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,512 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 What's the thing with noise levels on heat source pumps ? Â I knew about them being expensive, but hand't heard anything about noise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,445 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 Air source units have rather large fans running when they are working.. At around 60dB it's not a massive noise but it is constant, how bothersome that is depends on where it's installed and how much you can hear inside the house - and whether it affects the neighbours.  1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,224 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 Download a dB meter app to your smartphone and get a general idea of what 60 dB sounds like in your home. It’s not like a professional bit of kit but good enough. dB is measured on a log scale, not linear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,741 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 The cost after Govt. subsidy is almost twice the cost of my new boiler. However I applaud you for your Green credentials. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,741 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 15 hours ago, letsavagoo said: It is reported that at the AGM of the National Trust it was revealed that the calendar for volunteers shows dates for Eid and Diwali but non for Christian festivals, Christmas and Easter prompting calls that the trust has become too woke. If this is the case I have to concur that this is ridiculous.  We are long time members of the NT and I am aware that they have previously got themselves in a bit of a lather as many of the grand houses they look after have historical connections with slavery.  Huge swathes of UK property, business, banking and private individuals etc., have historical connections with slavery. That won't change. Is it possible that the NT calendar you refer to assumes that in a nominally Christian country, most people know the dates of Christmas, Easter and other Christian festivals, but are less likely to know, Eid, Diwali etc.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,445 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 But at the printers the extra cost of printing a couple notes is so small it can't be measured, why miss them out? Most calendars are printed from a standard form. It must take a deliberate effort to eliminate those dates just as it needed a decision to include the non-Christian ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,222 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 Never see any dates of celebrations of us Jedi Warriors, in any calendar. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
katyjay 5,091 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 Beekay, it is May the 4th. (May the 4th be with you) 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
letsavagoo 965 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 59 minutes ago, DJ360 said:  Huge swathes of UK property, business, banking and private individuals etc., have historical connections with slavery. That won't change. Is it possible that the NT calendar you refer to assumes that in a nominally Christian country, most people know the dates of Christmas, Easter and other Christian festivals, but are less likely to know, Eid, Diwali etc.? It’s an interesting thought but I’m unconvinced. They should have included them and I’m sure the vast majority will agree. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,368 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 I certainly do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,222 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 It's that time of year again. Have noticed on all the tv channels that all the charities, well known and some obscure ones nobody has heard of. All are coming out of the woodwork. Donate this or sponsor that. If you contributed to every one, you'd be broke in a month. Call me a Cynic but where does it all end? The list seems to be endless. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,615 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 @DJ360Â Â Christmas is always on25 December but Easter is a moveable feast 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,224 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, DJ360 said: The cost after Govt. subsidy is almost twice the cost of my new boiler. However I applaud you for your Green credentials. As far as I can ascertain it’s about 15 years to get payback on a heat pump. Looking at the actuarial tables there’s an outside chance I might break even if I installed one today. As we had a new gas boiler installed in 2020 it’s a non starter. The previous one lasted for 25 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,445 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023                              @BK.                             PITTYBREW URGENT CHRISTMAS APPEAL  Today marks the tenteenth anniversary celebrations of our millennial organisational resources  going forward with our plans to implement four-dimensional asset options. And today the Pittybrew needs  your help to initiate a more contemporary reimagining of our financial management reserves and provide a  solution that can only be responsive to situational vicissitude if we are to avoid a mid-course correction. Pittybrew believes in outside the box strategic matrix approaches. Mugging is no longer the go-to or preferred solution  of old, we need a more blue-sky approach to integrated incremental flexibility and revenue collection.                  To avoid this imminent catastrophe please donate all you can by direct debit...  1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,445 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, philmayfield said: As far as I can ascertain it’s about 15 years to get payback on a heat pump. It's not just the unit though, most installations means upgrading radiators, possibly pipes and insulation to get the benefit. Heat pumps work at much lower temperature than a combi hence bigger rads or running for longer. It's a tricky one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,224 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 It’s a bit like electric cars. It’s good that some people are prepared to buy them in order to progress their development and ultimately they will become the way to go. I’ve regularly been to the fore in adopting new technology but electric cars and heat pumps still have a fair way to go. Quite a few people I knew who installed solar panels never lived long enough to recover their investment! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,222 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 PITTYBREW APPEAL... Sir, we more than delighted to add your appeal to our list of receipiants. However, please be aware you in an extensive queue. You are currently behind ...Polar bears, Donkeys, Puffins, Cats, Dogs, Red Squirrels, Leopards, Tigers, Penguins, Otters, Lesser Spotted Nutwurzels, Homeless Second home owners, Lewes ex bus conductors etc. The list grows daily so we have to appeal for a new computer to cope. Your servant sir. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,224 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 It’s interesting to see the appeals for ‘rough sleepers’. They always look neat, clean and tidy with smart haircuts and expensive sleeping bags. Could they be actors? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,445 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 Tents and sleeping bags are from various charities, no idea where they shower and shave though..  Here's a thought. We can find accommodation for the 8000 odd that arrived in August, but not for the 3000 that had to sleep rough during the same period,,, 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nonnaB 4,909 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 Kath can you msg me again I’ve lost it trying to find previous Msg. I use my phone and there’s no way I can get onto pm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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