Anything Political

[Beekay 5,154]

Can somebody translate that into English for me.

[Hey Arnold 88]

You can tell when a politician is lying, their lips are moving 

[Stavertongirl 1,719]

Going to hell in a hand basket comes to mind. You missed out smug DJ360.

[LizzieM 9,511]

Come back Brew!  

[radfordred 6,284]

I agree, man of sence & belated Birthday wishes @LizzieM x

[nonnaB 4,895]

Immigration or not we have the same problems. My daughter gave a job to a Ukrainian girl , her husband managed to escape and found his way here. He’s found a job in Belgium or Holland ???. and she is following him naturally. My daughters helper in the kitchen found a job that she applied for more than a year ago

( Ferrero ) All you could wish for in a job. She was very sorry to leave but eventually she was accepted and started working there. Now my daughter has no staff and has been looking all summer. Plenty of interviewees but almost all of them already have dole money coming in and don’t want to give it up by registering as employed or they don’t want to work weekends or evenings. One said she could work at lunchtime from 1pm but must leave by 3 pm. Unbelievable that in this situation people just do not want to work. With all the refugees arriving daily before too long we’ll have more foreigners than locals.

[DJ360 6,730]

Reading between the lines...

She is determined to cut taxes for the rich. She however also has to do something about energy/cost of living.So logically that boils down to funding tax cuts by borrowing  A classic example of the reality that it is Tories, not Labour, who borrow most. And they do so because public borrowing  actually amounts to a nice little earner for the rich, which is paid for by the less well off.

[Oztalgian 3,298]

I despair the state that conservative governments have brought to many countries in the world. Led by economists and accountants and politicians with borderline extreme right philosophies these are the people that have deliberately increased the gap between rich and poor. They have supported massive rorts where taxpayer money has been "gifted" to corporations run by mates. Seen massive profits of which very little has flowed to the actual workers whilst directors have been paid obscene bonuses. The also assisted in developing the "Gig Economy" where people are "employed" but have no guarantee of any paid hours with tools such as zero hours contracts.

Here in Oz interest rates have just gone up another 0.5 %, the short-term reduction of the fuel excise ends this month and will immediately add 25 cents a litre to the cost of fuel. We have seen gas and electricity price rises but nothing like those in the UK and today 1,000 child-care centres will be closed as workers strike for better wages and conditions. Justifiable in my opinion as they get less than flipping hamburgers or stacking shelves in the local supermarkets. The same applies to aged care workers as they are underpaid for the work they do.

There needs to be a massive realignment of our society and it will not happen under any Conservative government. Luckily we have elected what seems a sensible Labour government that has started work on addressing some of these issues but it will be a long road to recovery. I will look on with interest at how the UK's new Prime Minister handles all that will be thrown at her.

[Oztalgian 3,298]

So Unfaithful Mary's first act was to sack all the Rishi Sunak supporters and load up the cabinet with those who supported her. She said she wanted an "Aspirational Nation" surely given the mess that the UK is in it needs the best, brightest and most competent regardless of who they supported.

Here is a thought ..... Abolish the House of Lords (The Upper House), a place for hangers on and failed and disenchanted politicians to hide. It seems to have worked OK in Queensland they abolished their upper house in 1922 and there are no plans to re-instate it.

[philmayfield 6,144]

A good start by splitting the party into friends and enemies. Someone verging on the obese as health secretary sets a good example as well. Not an impressive start.

[Jill Sparrow 10,307]

In a previous life, you probably missed Genghis Khan! 

[MRS B 522]

Yes Boris and Donald were always entertaining, just not believable either of them. 

[DJ360 6,730]

8 hours ago, radfordred said:

I’m already missing Boris  I have a feeling he will come back stronger, I also miss Donald 

 

 

 

He did not deliver Brexit. He fudged it.

He did not develop the vaccine.

His chancellor borrowed to pay for furlough.

True, he supported Ukraine..just like the rest of the free World except for places like Hungary and India, currently run by wannabe dictatorsvOrban and Modi.

What is this 'EU funded press'? and how does it relate to the majority right wing press owned by absentee and offshore interests?

The press has certainly beaten democracy..that's how Brexit happened and Johnson gained power.

[DJ360 6,730]

As I predicted above, it ifs clear that Truss is using borrowing to fund support for energy consumers, thereby protecting the obscene profits of energy producers . She has also appointed the terminally smug Reese Mogg as energy minister. The fact that he has huge personal investments in energy producers is, of course..purely coincidental...

Same old Tory sleaze..

[Rob.L 1,090]

I suppose the Daily Mail could come under “EU funded press”, considering how many millions their editor skimmed off in subsidies for his grouse moors under the Common Agricultural Policy.

[Hey Arnold 88]

All politicians are the same whichever political party or ideology they follow. Their sole interest is themselves and election to higher public office simply presents them with an opportunity for self promotion and advancement. "Vote for me, I know what you want" ...... No you don't because you hardly ever ask and when you do, if the answer is not what you want to hear, you refuse to acknowledge or carry out the wishes of the population. A perfect example was the Brexit  referendum where David Cameron didn't get the result he wanted, so resigned and created the farce of the last six years instead of carrying out his responsibility to lead the country through it.  MPs seek office for which they receive a fair salary in comparison to the average working man/ woman. They then claim expenses for whatever they can get away with, receive increased renumeration for sitting on committees and manage to get themselves on to company boards etc. 'Tory' politicians have been derided but in my view there is no difference to Labour politicians. I'm not aware of any MP from 'the party of the working people' actually having had a real job. Many study politics at university then go to work in a Union office until a constituency becomes available. Nice work if you can get it. 

[Rob.L 1,090]

Depends on 

1 hour ago, Hey Arnold said:

I’m not aware of any MP from 'the party of the working people' actually having had a real job. Many study politics at university then go to work in a Union office until a constituency becomes available. Nice work if you can get it. 

Depends on what you class as a real job. On the Labour benches, you’ll find barristers like Starmer and Thornberry, doctors like Rosena Allin-Khan, nurses and care workers, teachers, military (e.g. Dan Jarvis), and plenty of people who had other “proper” jobs.

 

it’s far too easy to suggest that “they’re all the same” when they’re plainly not.

[Hey Arnold 88]

@Rob.L Let me correct myself. You're absolutely right not all politicians are the same, as I stated, just the majority. MPs such as Frank Field (Now Baron Field) worked as a teacher and always tried to represent the views of his constituents even if it was not his own personal view, and of course there are several others as you state. However I stand by my argument that the most MPs, of whatever persuasion, don't understand the ordinary working man/woman as they have very little experience of work as we know it 

[Cliff Ton 10,470]

Especially true when you consider that MPs get allowances and expenses for almost everything possible.

 

They don't have to bother about the price of petrol, or electricity, or food, or drink, because they just fill in a form and get it all paid back to them at an inflated rate.

 

To an MP, price increases are something which happen to other people.

 

And don't forget that the more money you have, the more you benefit from tax cuts.

[Oztalgian 3,298]

Just seen an interview of Liz Truss and she certainly did not come across as the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer.

Same platitudes as ever "If the economy does well then everyone does well" The same blatant lie that was being pushed here. Ask the average worker if they are doing well, I know what answer you will get. More talk about tax cuts which, if percentage based disproportionally favour the rich, but what do you expect from the Conservative side of politics? Levelling up was not mentioned and appeared to not want to discuss "windfall taxes" on energy suppliers or others making a motza out of current conditions. Sadly it looks like more of the same only with a frock on.

[DJ360 6,730]

Truss is clearly incompetent. As someone observed, 'She'd be out of her depth on a damp pavement'.

 

More worrying to me at least is that she, and no doubt Kwarteng too, is clearly delivering 'policy' according to a script  which is way beyond her capabilities to write. She is therefore very clearly being controlled. 

The dirty hand of the 'Institute of Economic Affairs' and other very opaque organisations which are in truth just self interested lobbying organisations but which masquerade as somehow 'politically neutral' and benign.

These borderline criminal organisations need to be investigated, their opaque funding sources made transparent and their influence clearly demonstrated. The IAE is a far right neoliberal 'free market', anti-public service bunch of crooks, funded by the Tobacco Industry among others  and at the moment it is practically governing this country.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Economic_Affairs

[Oztalgian 3,298]

Thankfully at the last general election Australia chose to rid itself of a totally corrupt incompetent Conservative government that stubbornly refused to recognise and do anything about climate change or introduce an Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC). The then incumbent Prime Minister went as far as secretly installing himself as minister of several other portfolios without even telling the relevant ministers. Claimed it was safety first due to Covid?

The Labor government has introduced legislation to form an ICAC and lo and behold the new Conservative leader, sensing the wind, is fully supportive. I wonder if the new ICAC will retrospectively investigate any of the blatant rorts of the previous government.

[DJ360 6,730]

My sources tell me that the wife of the CEO of BP donated £100000 to Truss's leadership campaign. So, she wasn't really even voted in by the minority blue rinse/retired colonel brigade, but by the oil industry. So no 'windfall tax'.

 

Amazing how many working class idiots lap up the Daily Mail 'unions control the Labour Party' meme, yet remain blissfully ignorant of the machinations of 'big money'.

[Stuart.C 491]

You don't need sources, it's public knowledge.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/08/liz-truss-reveals-campaign-donations-including-100k-from-wife-of-ex-bp-exec

[Cliff Ton 10,470]

If you see anyone around who looks annoyed and disappointed, it probably means they're a very high earner.